Beehaw, Lemmy, and A Vision of the Fediverse - Ruminations on the past and visions of the future
Beehaw, Lemmy, and A Vision of the Fediverse - Ruminations on the past and visions of the future
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you did not mention the other fedi project that is similar to lemmy in functionality (kbin/mbin), have you tried working with them instead?
There's also Piefed (Federates with Lemmy and is sympathetic to Beehaw, created with Python and Flask), and Sublinks (Drop-in replacement for Lemmy created with Java).
Also, I would personally be a little wary of choosing Kbin, as the developer's behavior over the past few months has been concerning. Mbin would likely be the better option between the two, but that's just my 2 cents.
I did not know about this Piefed feature, that's really cool!
🥰 aww that's such a cute feature 🥺
Also, I would personally be a little wary of choosing Kbin, as the developer's behavior over the past few months has been concerning. Mbin would likely be the better option between the two, but that's just my 2 cents.
Can you explain please
I don't want to be too negative here, and to any mods that read this, if this is too negative, feel free to remove this post. But in the time that I've been a Kbin user, this is what I've personally witnessed.
The Kbin developer has a tendency to disappear with no communication for months at a time, likely caused by taking on way more load than one person can handle without burning out (He is virtually the only developer of Kbin, is taking on developing the Kbin mobile app, is the only admin of the largest Kbin instance, Kbin.social, and the only moderator of multiple communities there, which have languished in his absence, as seen in the posts on m/Kbin and m/Kbin Meta).
He appears to have an extreme lack of trust in others, wanting instead to take on all responsibility himself. This becomes an issue when he disappears, since he is the only one with merge privileges on the Kbin github, resulting in many PR's for hotly requested features languishing until he suddenly reappears, having been silently working on some aspect of the backend without informing anyone else, making collaboration difficult.
That difficulty appears to be why Kbin was forked into Mbin.
As an example of the trust issues: Even though the Kbin community has repeatedly asked to be able to help him manage Kbin.social, either as an admin or putting in requests to moderate his communities filled to the brim with spam, nothing has changed, and it's been business as usual.
Before his most recent absence, he mentioned he was going in for a minor surgery that would leave him laid up for a couple days, then went radio silent for over a month, leading people to fear the worst. When he reappeared recently, his explanation for why he didn't post a quick "Hey guys, I'm okay, but won't be around for X time," was that he didn't want to "Cause chaos." 🫤
it's on the big list of possible alternatives that we're investigating
Piefed Seems like a nice place; how much of a thrash would it be to migrate Beehaw there?
Unfortunately, I don't think Piefed is currently ready for such a large community, but progress seems hopeful.
Maybe @rimu@piefed.social could comment here (if that ping federates) :)
That ping did not federate :)
I agree - PieFed is almost ready. But not yet, and it would be rash to migrate to PieFed today.
The state of PieFed currently:
- In the last week two new developers have started making significant contributions, so now there are 3 of us. Once they get more comfortable there could be a radical increase in development velocity.
- I've been making steady progress through the key issues that will enable me to declare the 'beta test' phase complete. I expect the beta test phase to continue for another couple of months.
- piefed.social is subscribed to over 700 communities and handling the load of federation very well (max 50% cpu usage), on a server costing 6 € per month. The number of weekly users is about 20% of what Beehaw has but PieFed is built to run very efficiently so I do not anticipate issues there.
- mod tools on piefed are being worked on right now but are not ready. I am aiming to eventually complete the wish list at https://beehaw.org/comment/397674.
Some differences between Lemmy and PieFed
- Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default.
- Communities are organized into topics. See https://piefed.social/topics.
- Image-heavy communities can have a tiled/masonry view, like https://piefed.social/c/pics@lemmy.world
- People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
- Hide all posts based on keyword filters.
- Keyboard shortcuts.
- Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.
- Better UI design (somewhat subjective!)
- Improved hotness ranking algorithm (subjective)
If you have not tried PieFed yet, I urge you to do so as it's the only way to really see it's potential.
Heya Rimu; thanks for commenting on this discussion. We've been tracking on piefed for a while, but as you noted it doesn't yet seem ready. Your software contributions and efforts for the Fediverse community are certainly notable however. I can't speak for the rest of the Admin team, but I like what I see with piefed code, actual open source development community, and a roadmap. There are a few issues in addition to the 'large crowd' that Beehaw might bring though, which I'd rather not blast in public. Please reach out to me on Matrix (Handle in PF).
Once again, thank you! Love what you're doing for safety and moderation tooling. Would love to help contribute, but have my hands in a lot of cookie jars ATM.
EDIT: Those shortcuts better be VIM shortcuts.... I mean, it's only six key combinations to quit right??
In the last week two new developers have started making significant contributions, so now there are 3 of us. Once they get more comfortable there could be a radical increase in development velocity.
That's awesome to hear, man! Thank you for creating this project, and for your efforts in making the Fediverse even better! ^^
A bit late but i love what I'm seeing, specially like not having to resort to external sites for the tiled image view like we had to at Reddit, useful for both pics (more likely wallpapers in my case) and memes (my most common use case :P ). Looking forward to see it grow :D