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Americans have some serious Stockholm syndrome if they believe voting for any of these candidates makes a meaningful difference when they are both war mongering fascists. The status quo can not be changed by voting but by anti-government protests forcing the current system to collapse.
Besides Roe ended under Biden, not Trump. There have also been more deportations under Biden than under Trump so this vote Biden or else blackmail isn't even based on facts. It's like choosing between Himmler and Hitler.
Roe was ended by Trump-appointed judges whom Biden had no influence over.
Blaming the president for the actions of the Supreme Court is asinine.
You're proving my point that the issue lies with the system, not with the president.
Both sides bad mhhhhhkay?
Get the fuck outta here, One side wants to uphold democracy and the other wants to bea adictatorship cult. And most bad things happening under biden are the result of 4 years of trump.Both sides are bad, yes. The fascists are far worse, of course, but it's naive to think the DNC are some brave Democracy Defenders, when their sole interest is to uphold the rights and protections of Capital. Most of the bad things happening under Biden are actually because of Capitalism reaching an ever-later stage, Trump certainly made it worse but Biden isn't making it better.
Should leftists vote for Biden to prevent Trump? 100%, abstaining from voting or voting third party is a spoiler vote in America and would result in fascists winning. Should liberals pretend that Leftists are the problem because leftists are understandably upset that they don't have anyone to actually vote for, while liberals and fascists get to gleefully vote for their preferred candidates? Absolutely not.
Show me a functioning non capitalist society that is on the same or better level than the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, France.... etc. i'll wait.
Stop being delusional.What "level?" Development? Quality of Life? Wealth? Wealth drives development, and development drives quality of life. If I took Cuba, or even EZLN, and compared it with, say, Somalia, the non-Capitalist countries win on all 3 accounts. You can cherry pick if you want, but ultimately development is a process and takes time. Development is a stage, if Cuba became Capitalist today it wouldn't be as developed as the US overnight, that's silly.
Secondly, you're assuming I want to replicate a currently existing country. That's false. I want the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, and France, along with all other countries, to shift to collective ownership of the Means of Production. I don't want to randomly reset a country to 0 progress and build up straight to Socialism, that's absurd.
The very premise of your question is false, as you're relying on a snapshot in history and not actually analyzing the mechanics of collective ownership. It's an utter non-argument.
LMAO youre a tankie. No wonder youre delusional.
Have fun in your dreams.How exactly am I a tankie? The EZLN is a Libertarian Socialist collective, I explicitly mentioned it to provide multiple examples that only share the fact that they are leftist in structure. I'm in favor of Democratic ownership and operation of the Means of Production by and for the Workers, rather than having a bunch of petite dictators a la Capitalism.
Is the fact that you're a landlord what drives you to be so immediately reactionary to anyone proposing we share ownership collectively?
I want the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, and France, along with all other countries, to shift to collective ownership of the Means of Production
i cannot capitalize LMAO further but i would.
LEMAO
You are so far removed from reality i cant evenDo you have a point? I think worker co-operatives are pretty cool, Socialist structures. Workers are happier and the co-ops are more stable than regular Capitalist businesses.
What's wrong with that? Is democratically controlling production worse than Capitalist ownership of Production? What's wrong with wanting more democracy in developed and underdeveloped nations alike?
Genuinely. Throw me a bone, I think we can possibly come to an understanding.
I won't waste my time discussing with someone who is this far removed from reality.
The fact that none of these systems ever worked is already proof.
Show me a commune that works.
If communism is so great then surely there must be loads of local communes that all work together? No?
There is no socialist communities that work? Mhhhh i wonder how that could be hmmmm how weird.They do, though. I literally pointed out worker co-operatives. Motion Twin, a game studio, is a quick example off the top of my head, though there are many others.
Your point seems to be that democracy is bad if applied to labor, and that there are mystical factors that turn things evil if Workers share ownership, without any actual analysis.
Again, what do you mean by "works?" There are existing Socialist states, all with various problems, just like there are existing Capitalist states, all with various problems. There are many types of Socialist states, from Cuba to the EZLN, to even China, depending on who you're asking, or Rojava.
Do you have an actual criticism against workers sharing ownership of the factory, rather than having one person own the factory? Whats wrong with that?
What democracy are you talking about? All I see is a war mongering oligarchy. The problem isn't with the president, it's with the US itself.
I couldnt even dumb myself down enough to explain this to you. Grow a brain fascist
Socialists are fascists, got it. Is that you Ben Shiapiro?
Being politically apathetic while both siding democracy and fascism makes you a tanky. Letting fascists takeover our country isn't a political position, it's Russian propaganda.
Roe ended because of the three judges Trump appointed. Trump has promised to round up millions of immigrants into camps so they can be deported. Building an alternate reality for yourself to live in isn't productive or compelling.
What are you even talking about? All recent US presidents have shown very clearly that they are all war mongering fascists that bomb third world countries, particularily the Middle East with no respect for human life. And if the US doesn’t do it itself, they let Israel do it for them. It doesn’t get any more racist than mass murdering brown people.
Furthermore, Biden has deported more people than Trump so far.
You’re proving my point that stockholm syndrome runs rampant in the US. People need to realize that it’s not the president that’s the issue, it’s the US as a whole. And I do think the US is more dangerous than any other country in the world, including Russia so call me a Russian puppet all you want.
But no, other side bad. They’re playing you all against each other and that allows the oligarchs to stay in power. How you don’t even realize that is absolutely mind blowing.
Tell me how a two party oligarchy is democratic in any way. I’m waiting. Oh that’s right you can’t, because it’s obviously anything but.
I focus my anger on the US government, not who’s the current puppet of it.
No, Trump is a fascist. Obama and Biden are not fascists, they are neoliberals. W Bush was a neoconservative.
Trump is planning on rounding up and deporting millions of immigrants. This is not comparable to what Biden has done.
Russia so call me a Russian puppet all you want. You're a tankie parroting Russian propaganda. This election is a clear choice between democracy and fascism.
But no, other side bad. They’re playing you all against each other and that allows the oligarchs to stay in power. How you don’t even realize that is absolutely mind blowing
The fact that you are parroting Russian propaganda for free is mind blowing.
We live in a democracy. No amount of Russian propaganda will change that. Electing Trump will end our democracy and begin a christofascist government where being angry at the US government will get you thrown in a death camp. Be angry at whoever you want. Vote for Biden because it's a vote for democracy.
Brain rot like this is exactly why I don’t like commenting on political posts on world and Reddit.
Fascism and neo this and that aside, the US is an oligarchy. Every single US president was an oligarch. The US doesn’t have a multi party system. It is the leading imperialist power in the world.
Very democratic. 🤡
Claiming that this is somehow Russian propaganda is no different than a Zionist yelling antisemitism at any and all criticism of Israel. It’s beyond absurd and rediculous, yet people here are so indoctrinated that they don’t see it.
Everything wrong with the US is somehow exclusively the fault of the other side lmao. Nothing wrong with the political system in the US at all.
There are plenty of the problems with the US voting system. They are not relevant to the discussion about voter apathy in the next election.
A basic history class refutes your arguments position. We live in a liberal democracy. Presidents are elected. We have a two party voting system.
All your argument does is parrot Russian propaganda and engage in ad hominen attacks. It must be real hard to argue with anyone when your arguments lack substance and rely on alternate facts.
A fascist takeover by the Republicans will result in America becoming a christofascist dictatorship. It does not follow that Americans should allow fascists to create a worse political system because of the flaws in American democracy. We should instead address the flaws in our democracy directly. In order to do that, American democracy must survive this election. The only way to do that peacefully is to vote for Joe Biden.
I literally studied history at university lmao. You don't know what you're talking about.
But sure let's discredit everyone as a Russian propagandist and Khamas supporter or whatever.
The US is a two party bourgeois dictatorship. There's no such thing as American "democracy".
Also as a Muslim, I will never ever support Joe Biden who's a mass murderer of my people and no other Muslim I know will either. I will not get blackmailed with "but Trump", they can both rot in hell.
Biden personally assassinated Franz Ferdinand and started WW1.