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It's almost like both sides are stupid and wrong and just wants to shout at each other without giving any solutions. Both sides just want to be right while society suffers because both sides won't just shut the actual fuck up. Sick of feminist ideology, sick of aggressive males. Why won't you all just shut the fuck up with your bullshit. Especially fuck your egos with your identity politics shite whether your a white nationalist tard or a blue haired woke tard.
100% agree. Modern day society tells Men to actively express their emotions and feelings without actually providing good, logical advice that helps improves Mens lives and get them out of their depressive states.
Instead of teaching Men to observe and regulate their emotions to become better and find purpose. Now society is encouraging to trap them in an emotional cycle where we need to be dependent on people.
And still society wonders why so many Men are radicalised by gurus like Tate, which is also no good as it comes with mysoginistic opinions and same old conservative beliefs, how Women should be treated.
However, whether people like Tate or not. He definetly has impacted Men and lit a fire underneath. Maybe improved individual lives. After all, Tate saw a weakness in society (Men depression and suicide) and took advantage of it for his own personal gains.
What society needs now is actual Male Role Models. This is where ancient greek philosophy Stoism can be one of the useful solutions to this issue, which should be taught in education systems.
I don't like the social engineering trying to tell men what to do, how to think and how to behave.
If men have no positive role models and no framework through which to interact with their emotions and their place in the world, they will find horrible role models like Andrew Tate and come up with crude and self-serving frameworks through which to view the world. Since people find religion cringe for some reason nowadays, personal philosophy and virtue ethics are now our only good option.
How about stop trying to dictate who's role model people follow! How about let people live their lives? If people find help and value to become better then so be it. Who are you to say he is a bad role model? Because he says things you don't like or behaves in a way you don't find appealing.
Who are you to say he is a bad role model?
Andrew Tate's entire schtick is being a misogynistic chimpanzee wearing the skin of a man and bragging about how wealthy and sexually successful he is. Anybody who believes this manchild to be a good role model ought to be treated as a laughingstock, much like the man himself. Andrew Tate and people like him capturing the minds of the youth, or young people living a meaningless and depressive existence with no role models or aspirations at all, has direct negative effects on society, and therefore me as well. Therefore, I will continue to tell people to stop following shitty role models like him and to get good ones, because I wanna live in a society where people actually have standards for how they conduct themselves, instead of a society dominated by people like Andrew Tate.
I agree with what you said. However it also worth pointing out that I have seen individual Men going to the gym, improving their mental, physical, emotional and even career after watching a few Tate videos.
The thing is you can use Andrew Tate as a source of motivation whilst not agreeing with his beliefs and opinions. Although, this seems more of a difficult task for some, I managed to do this. Take a bit of red and blue pill to have a better understanding of the world around you.
Men ought to have higher aspirations than owning a Bugatti and fucking a lot of hoes. Andrew Tate does not promote any such aspirations. A society where young men only care about sex and supercars is a society on the fast track to collapse.
I mean who would of thought that feminists blocking and banning any criticism on social media and then blasting social media with kill all men, men ain't shit etc over and over again such a positive impact on society like the climbing suicide rate! Well done, you've alienated at least 50% of the population.
I don't give a shit, Andrew Tate is not how you solve this issue.
So bad because he wrong thinked? Tate bad because he said a word? Please if he helps young men go to the gym and improve mental health then what's the but it also highlights a gaping hole in society that hasn't been addressed and neglected by this Western woke ideology, largely the needs of males have been neglected, shunned and ignored.
Because he's a degenerate scam artist who influences young men to do things which are harmful for society. Society needs standards.
Please if he helps young men go to the gym and improve mental health then what's the problem
That's not what Andrew Tate did. Andrew Tate tells men that they are worthless unless they're wealthy, strong, and promiscuous like him, and then extracts money from them so they can attend his "hustle university" and learn surface-level Investipedia knowledge from a moderator on the Andrew Tate discord server.
People like this should absolutely be ostracized. Being mistreated by society does not give any of us an excuse to be fucking stupid.
I think that while everything you say is true and you are right, he is a scammer. But it would be also wrong to say he didn't impact a few men in positive light.
He lit a fire under Men to get up and fix their life through anger and agression. Its the only positive I see. True, I have seen more radicalised with fucking cigars in their mouth doing jackshit and ruining themselves, maybe that is fate telling wokes to wake up and see something is wrong. But there are smart men who indeed get motivated by Tate and i've seen body transformation vids too on it.
This is good as an individual to be successful, healthy, happy, agressive, smart, strong, wise. This is freedom. To forget about the noise/distraction and politics and build your own beliefs, opinions and virtues.
I have always believed in taking bits and stuff from everyone and leaving the negative that doesn't benefit me as a person bc I too have to adapt in society.
I have always believed in taking bits and stuff from everyone and leaving the negative that doesn't benefit me as a person bc I too have to adapt in society.
And I find that while some of what Andrew Tate says has positive effects on society, most of what he says is negative and that it outweighs the positives, and his target demographic, teenage boys, are biologically incapable of comprehending nuance due to their undeveloped brains, and are therefore way too stupid to be trusted to only take the good and leave the bad. Therefore, Andrew Tate and people like him should be ostracized by society.
I agree to this to some extent. However as you say, letting Men live how they want by being free is what modern society have always been telling them. Yet no purpose, no goals, dreams, motivation? Every human needs a mentor to guide them through life. If you look into stoism, you will understand what I am saying. These ancient greek gods knew their stuff and they weren't emperors and masters for no reason.
Why won't you all just shut the fuck up with your bullshit.
It would be nice if we all looked around at what's happening in the world, recognized what we can change, what we can't, accepted our differences, accepted that we're human, tried to work together, shook hands and let the best win, whatever.
In this climate, there are too many individual biases in place that prevent that from happening in a way that's ideal, though - none of us are immune from that, either, unfortunately.
We can work toward it; I'm more interested in practicality, for example, and I try to be aware of my own biases while recognizing the biases of others, without judgement - or at least, with minimal judgement that's impersonal.
Some people will always be harder for me to connect with than others. That doesn't make them bad - it's just a part of the human condition. And sometimes those connections are still very feasible.
It's usually ok to be "wrong". It's usually ok to have an opinion that doesn't jive with the norm.
It's complicated. There's many aspects of feminism that make perfect sense, and it's more than reasonable for the issues that feminists raise to be discussed. Many (perhaps all - I don't have a list off hand) are totally legitimate.
There are approaches to feminism that are counter productive...or even just...cringe.
The same could be said for almost any other political issue.
People have been unjustifiably exploited by political issues as well.
I think the media, in general, is problematic. We all rely on it, but it's too powerful, and the people who have control over what it produces naturally exploit it.
Above all, it's best to work toward preventing external factors like the media from controlling how you think and feel.
It's not easy. We all succumb to it in one way or another. Sometimes it even serves a purpose.
The more we're aware of it, though, the less control it has.
The media is also a tool. One that's useful. It's not black and white.
In general, the more we're aware of how a system itself is designed, and how that affects us, the better.
I know people from many different walks of life who voted for Trump or lean more in the direction of the right; I hold nothing against them for that.
Working toward the interests of society - the best outcome for the majority of people - would be the ideal, but in a way that's diplomatic and didn't involve shouting at each other over the Internet.
We might not necessarily be in a position where we can even do that, or at least as well as we could have 10 years ago.
That's kind of scary.
Anyway, maybe in your case the right thing to do is just take a deep breath; put your phone down, and do something else.
That's at least what I'm going to do.
Humans definitely gonna human tho.
Understanding that and finding a way to navigate it in a way that's fruitful is key...
while recognizing that, you too, are human.