Israel’s battle against misinformation and hate is overwhelming on most days. During a war, it goes on overdrive. By last measure, online anti-Semitism has spiked by a massive 1200% since October 7th When faced with a river of hate from legions of enemy countries and sympathizers, Israel’s Hasbara (...
hamas and palestine brought it on themselves. Remember that palestine voted in hamas. and hamas are using palestinians as shields. they even murder them if they complain about hamas. No court, no judge, no jury, just execution.
If you are supporting hamas, or a "free palestine" you are blindly retarded.
The last election was in 2006. 17 years ago. The median age of people there is only 20. Most of those people didn't vote for anyone, let alone Hamas. And even those that did vote, Hamas got less than 50% of the vote.
Also, nice use of ableist slurs there. Is that really appropriate?
Islam and the Jews: The Pact of Umar, 9th Century CE
THE Pact of Umar is the body of limitations and privileges entered into by treaty between conquering Muslims and conquered non-Muslims. We have no special treaty of this sort with the Jews, but we must assume that all conquered peoples, including the Jews, had to subscribe to it. Thus the laws cited below and directed against churches apply to synagogues too. The Pact was probably originated about 637 by Umar I after the conquest of Christian Syria and Palestine. By accretions from established practices and precedents, the Pact was extended; yet despite these additions the whole Pact was ascribed to Umar. There are many variants of the text and scholars deny that the text as it now stands could have come from the pen of Umar I; it is generally assumed that its present form dates from about the ninth century.
The Pact of Umar has served to govern the relations between the Muslims and "the people of the book," such as Jews, Christians, and the like, down to the present day.
In addition to the conditions of the Pact listed below, the Jews, like the Christians, paid a head-tax in return for protection, and for exemption from military service. Jews and Christians were also forbidden to hold government office. This Pact, like much medieval legislation, was honored more in the breach than in the observance. In general, though, the Pact increased in stringency with the centuries and was still in force in the 20th century in lands such as Yemen. The Pact is in Arabic.
In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate!
This is a writing to Umar from the Christians of such and such a city. When You [Muslims] marched against us [Christians],: we asked of you protection for ourselves, our posterity, our possessions, and our co-religionists; and we made this stipulation with you, that we will not erect in our city or the suburbs any new monastery, church, cell or hermitage; that we will not repair any of such buildings that may fall into ruins, or renew those that may be situated in the Muslim quarters of the town; that we will not refuse the Muslims entry into our churches either by night or by day; that we will open the gates wide to passengers and travellers; that we will receive any Muslim traveller into our houses and give him food and lodging for three nights; that we will not harbor any spy in our churches or houses, or conceal any enemy of the Muslims. [At least six of these laws were taken over from earlier Christian laws against infidels.]
That we will not teach our children the Qu'ran [some nationalist Arabs feared the infidels would ridicule the Qu'ran; others did not want infidels even to learn the language]; that we will not make a show of the Christian religion nor invite any one to embrace it; that we will not prevent any of our kinsmen from embracing Islam, if they so desire. That we will honor the Muslims and rise up in our assemblies when they wish to take their seats; that we will not imitate them in our dress, either in the cap, turban, sandals, or parting of the hair; that we will not make use of their expressions of speech, nor adopt their surnames [infidels must not use greetings and special phrases employed only by Muslims]; that we will not ride on saddles, or gird on swords, or take to ourselves arms or wear them, or engrave Arabic inscriptions on our rings; that we will not sell wine [forbidden to Muslims]; that we will shave the front of our heads; that we will keep to our own style of dress, wherever we may be; that we will wear girdles round our waists [infidels wore leather or cord girdles; Muslims, cloth and silk].
That we will not display the cross upon our churches or display our crosses or our sacred books in the streets of the Muslims, or in their market-places; that we will strike the clappers in our churches lightly [wooden rattles or bells summoned the people to church or synagogue]; that we will not recite our services in a loud voice when a Muslim is present; that we will not carry Palm branches [on Palm Sunday] or our images in procession in the streets; that at the burial of our dead we will not chant loudly or carry lighted candles in the streets of the Muslims or their market places; that we will not take any slaves that have already been in the possession of Muslims, nor spy into their houses; and that we will not strike any Muslim.
All this we promise to observe, on behalf of ourselves and our co-religionists, and receive protection from you in exchange; and if we violate any of the conditions of this agreement, then we forfeit your protection and you are at liberty to treat us as enemies and rebels.
Source
Jacob Marcus, The Jew in the Medieval World: A Sourcebook, 315-1791, (New York: JPS, 1938), 13-15
Later printings of this text (e.g. by Atheneum, 1969, 1972, 1978) do not indicate that the copyright was renewed)
So you're saying all people of Palestinian descent are terrorists? Or just all Arabs are terrorists? Or just people who are kept in prison terrorists?
What is the criteria to make somebody a terrorist? I'm not talking about the military, I'm not talking about the government, I'm talking about the civilians.
And even if you say every Gazan civilian is a terrorist, at what age do they become terrorists? Are the babies terrorist? Are the 5-year-old's terrorist?
100%, which is why I personally say the people should be free.
All people should be free, globally, nobody should be oppressed, nobody should live under apartheid, nobody should be deliberately denied food and water. I know I'm a crazy partisan wanting these things and advocating for them.
The totalitarian ethno-religious organizations and governments focused on ethnic cleansing can just fuck off. But there's a lot of people, who simply get focused on oh you don't like my ethnic cleansing effort, obviously you believe in reversed ethnic cleansing! And that's the furthest thing from the truth.
It should be reasonable to have a public debate where you don't want ethnic cleansing in any direction, nobody should to get ethnically cleansed! Why is that so controversial...
You said a inflammatory thing, and I want to understand your position. Please explain terrorist to me, and who is, and isn't a terrorist in the Gazan territory. (Including specifically women, and children.. when do children become terrorists?)
You are dodging the question, well done. I did not say anything inflammatory, you are lying. I didn't say children are terrorists.
I said Hamas, and the largely supporting population of Gaza who supported the terrorist attack into Israel FIRST, are the ones that started this feud. Israel has every right to respond and protect themselves from terrorists that came in and decapitated children and women, and paraded them around naked, dead on a truck. Israel even warns Gaza of its attacks, and what happens? The hamas, brutally kill and palestinians that try to flee the area they have been given warning to leave.
I said do you support UKRAINE or RUSSIA? You are an ignorant child trying to dodge my arguments. Americans and teenagers are so stupidly polarised in their views, its impossible for them to admit they were incorrect.
You are an ignorant fool. Perhaps you should go to Gaza and see how welcome you actually are, because it will be much less than your idea of diversity in your own country.
You dodged my question, and change the subject. It's only fair for me to try to keep us on topic.
My point still stands, who wouldn't want a population of people to be free?
Even if you have a gripe with the adults, you still haven't defined terrorist by the way, the children are not guilty of any sins, so they should be free. They should be free to grow up and be their own adults.
You still haven't answered the question that started this whole discussion, what makes the people of Gaza a terrorist, are they all terrorists? What percentage of terrorists? Are they forever terrorists? Are there children terrorists? These are important questions if you're saying an entire ethnicity cannot be free.
Saying a entire ethnicity cannot be free, it's a very terrible tool that creates very terrible world.
If you want to talk about Ukraine and Russia, I'm happy to discuss that with you, but in a different thread. Please post it and I will respond to it. But not here. We need to stay on topic