Bandcamp... What now?
Bandcamp... What now?
Now that Bandcamp has had huge layoffs, what about an opensource, Fediverse-friendly replacement? What can a FOSS product bring to the community and do better than Bandcamp?
- Discoverability?
- Broader selection of payments platforms? Direct transfer to avoid processors? (I'm ignorant about the processing system, plus international considerations)
- Ease of spinning up (SaaS?)
- Content deliverability (on the fly transcode from sourced FLAC or WAVs? Rich video/multi track audio?)
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Wait, hear me out. Direct buy from artists using crypto. Then you don't have to deal with payment processors.
Cryptoscam shill is shilling the cryptoscam.
It's amazing to me that anybody considers crypto"currency" to be a viable currency these days after all the failures of the (... uh ... you know that "exchanges" are payment processors right? RIGHT!? ...) ecosystem to the tune of now billions of dollars.
But hey, you can at least send your funny money on a public ledger (for PRIVACY! LOL!) and have it get processed painfully slowly while contributing to more greenhouse gases than most medium-sized nations!
There's literally no downside!
You don't need to use an exchange to get paid in crypto or use a crypto with a pubic ledger
Monero is far more private than letting a credit card processor have your information. Ethereum doesn't use mining anymore so the electricity used for it is less than paying with credit card. It also takes a few seconds to process.
Yes. The scam has mutated. All scams do. It's still a Ponzi scheme and suckers like you are still trying to fill out the bottom of the pyramid so that you're not the one holding the bag when it collapses.
When.
Not if.
Go shill crypto on that distributed messaging system specifically set up to shill crypto, dude. You'll find more receptive suckers there.
And now let's address your second favourite crypto-Ponzi: Ethereum. This would be the Ethereum whose "smart" contracts are so fucking dumb that it's almost routine to find stories of them being owned by kiddies? (Ask Hope Lend, Fantom Foundation, Balancer, Huobi, Remitano, and a cast of thousands.) Or would this be the Ethereum that filled to the brim with suspect entities like TrueUSD/$TEURO (which they laughably claim aren't related despite both coming from the same address), Milady NFTs (or, let's face it, ANY fucking NFT!), or any number of other rug pullers and such? Or are you talking the Ethereum that is so lazy an implementation that people trivially write snipe bots to manipulate values for things? Or are you talking the Ethereum so fucking lax (and convoluted in actual use) that even its founder got himself Twitter-hacked to wind up draining people's accounts dry from a scam?
Yeah. Absolutely the org I'd trust with finance. Great suggestion, Sparky? Why not just resurrect Capone and tell people to put cash in this bag he's holding out?
Ethereum is not an organization, you don't need to use NFTs or smart contracts if you don't want to
Ethereum is not an organization [...]
Right. Ethereum is not an "organization". It's several organizations (like the Ethereum Foundation, say) with suspicious overlap in membership (like Vitalik Buterin, say) whose top 100 ETH addresses (out of about what? a quarter million? a third of a million?) own ~40% of the ETH making them one motherfucking powerful voting bloc. (Even Bitcoin, with some whales that are making people look askance at it, has only about 14% held in the top 100 addresses!)
And this doesn't even begin to address the clusterfuck that is the enormous problem of PoS having "the rich get richer" built into its very core.
...you don’t need to use NFTs or smart contracts if you don’t want to
Agreed. And indeed you don't need to use any cryptoscam bullshit at all. Which is what most people do. Because most people aren't clueless idiots and can actually smell a scam. The cryptoshills are obvious scammers at the level of Nigerian Princes-in-Exile!
Here's a suggestion for you, Sparky. Why don't you toddle off back to nostr where the rest of your cryptobro buddies and their victims hang out instead of trying to infect yet another domain with your criminal scam?
So, let's look over the first of your favourite funny money Ponzi schemes: Monero.
Is this the Monero that people are increasingly certain is doing the digital equivalent of printing currency? (C.f. "Monerun" for details.) The Monero that has a single mining pool that's within striking distance of pulling off a 50%+1 attack? That Monero? 'Cause that "privacy" you tout for it works both ways. Yes, user details are private … but so are the operator's details so there's no way of knowing what's really going on under the covers. Like, I don't know, say, "paper Monero"…
Doesn't even sound slightly scammy. Not in the slightest. I know I'd trust them with monetary matters!
@ttmrichter @iopq seems I remember them as well as a 'money exchange' never used them but the name rings a bell from a few years ago then I may be wrong?
I honestly lose track of the everchanging landcape of crypto grifters these days. There's so many of them and the recent meltdown all across the crypto sphere has made them desperately come out of the woodwork trying to get ANYBODY to buy their shit before they're left holding … sorry, hodling … the bag.
Monero is the one that is a private ledger, though, which means not only can't other people see your transactions, you can't see the transactions of the people running it to see if they're scamming or not. They're less transparent than a commercial bank and that takes a lot of effort!
I predict within a year Monero will rugpull and disappear into the digital æther. The whole crypto sphere is in a tailspin and the people at the head of the various pyramids are going to be leaving soon, leaving only the suckers behind.
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I just looked up Monerun
Monero is not doing "printing currency". Some exchanges that promise to pay you monero may not hold it. That's the same what your bank does. The bank seldom has enough dollar bills to pay all of its depositors money.
But again, this is between an exchange and its customers. You can gasp use another exchange and withdraw your money immediately after using it
Monero is not doing “printing currency”.
And you know this because...?
Right. You don't. Because Monero is obstinately opaque in its operations. You're taking it on faith (or, rather, you're trying to make sure you're not the bottom of the pyramid when everything goes to Hell).
That's not how that works, you prove your claim that monero has coins created in excess of what the protocol allowed. You can't just make shit up and expect me to debunk it
The system is set up so it cannot be proved until it's too late. Like a hi-tech Madoff scheme. It has zero transparency. None.
In the absence of transparency, the only safe and sane assumption is "a scam is in operation".
This is actually not true, because if you received a transaction that is "printed" money due to some bug, it would be provable. This has not happened
Nostr is thataway, Sparky. Go talk to your cryptobros.
why though? Direct buy sure but why crypto? Just because you can send Disney bucks directly to someone?
Just use Kofi or Patreon and you are golden.
If we are going down that route: why Kofi or Patreon? Just use bank transfers. Payment via SEPA is commonplace, FedNow is already a thing. Even "third-world", "backwards" countries like Brazil and India have digital payment networks.
That Indian payment network won't be able to deliver money to an American band
Then use Wise.
Doesn't support every country and currency pair
Neither does Patreon, Ko-Fi, or any payment processor out there. ;)
Ah, I see. You are making the case for cryptocurrency by trying to justify on the general exception instead of the practical rule... I tried that before, didn't go so well.
Just use bank transfers. Payment via SEPA is commonplace
I mean, yeah, that would work as well. But would you trust any stranger/on the internet with your IBAN which is tightly linked to your person?
What can people do with an IBAN? They are not meant to be sensitive/protected information.
The payment processors take a big fee, like 3% + $0.30
You can't just sell one song for a penny.
What are the "gas" fees for Ethereum like again. You know, one of the two you touted above as being viable alternatives to actual money.
The best part of Ethereum:
When a transaction has failed due to an “Out of Gas” error, this means the gas limit set for a transaction is below the required gas needed to execute it. The transaction value does not leave your address but gas fee is deducted because of the computational cost incurred.
You pay the gas fee whether your transaction goes through or not. What. A. Fucking. Scam.
If you think that's too much, use a different crypto. I've exchanged some crypto with a friend for local currency and it cost me less than a penny to make a transaction.
Typical crytobro bullshit. Moving goalposts.
YOU touted Ethereum. Then you talked about "one cent songs".
Be at least a little consistent in pushing your scam? I mean this constant whirling around is just making you dizzy and making your scam ever so obvious to onlookers.
It depends on what crypto you use, they all have upsides and downsides. Bitcoin cash has incredibly long confirmation times like Bitcoin, you can only sell cheap stuff with no confirmation because it's not safe (you can double spend if you're a miner)
I exchanged Bitcoin cash with extremely low fees for moving it. But I don't know if it actually has a future, most people are not really bullish on it. Cryptos have to be used as a form of exchange to have value on the market. I thought Nano with no fees had a future, but that's a feature most people didn't care about
But you don't have to choose, offer bch, monero, Bitcoin lightning, etc. and let the user decide what crypto they want to pay with
Yes. Brilliant plan! Take the creatives' time spent on making art and have them decode every single fucking crypto scam's procedures, security models, etc.! That way they'll be so distracted by the bullshit choices placed before them they won't realize that a) none of them are good choices, and b) they've not actually created anything since they started dealing with all that horseshit.
Nostr is thataway, Sparky. Go talk to your fellow cryptobros.
Nobody has to do it if they don't want to.
Wrong forum. Nostr is thataway.
Because I've tried getting money from countries like Kazakhstan and it's not straightforward
Sure, if you have a merchant account and want to pay 3%+ on a credit card purchase it would work, just set up visa and Mastercard
But for the smaller band, they would not be taking credit card payments themselves