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Majority of Americans (~70%) say Israel’s response to Hamas attack is justified, CNN poll finds

www.politico.com Majority of Americans say Israel’s response to Hamas attack is justified, CNN poll finds

But the majority also said they feel at least some sympathy for the Palestinian people.

Iraq dominated the headlines throughout the fall of 2002 and into the winter of 2003. Public opinion on the wisdom of war, however, stabilized relatively early and slightly in favor of war. Gallup found that from August 2002 through early March 2003 the share of Americans favoring war hovered in a relatively narrow range between a low of 52 percent and a high of 59 percent. By contrast, the share of the public opposed to war fluctuated between 35 percent and 43 percent.

Looks like Americans are even more happy with murdering people if its done by a puppet.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/rally-round-the-flag-opinion-in-the-united-states-before-and-after-the-iraq-war/

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Remember who they are polling, who answers their landlines, who picks up a phone from 'unknown'

It's boomers, folks
- The CNN poll surveyed 1,003 adults via text message, and only surveyed adults with mobile phones. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
  
  It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
  
  according to whom tho
  
  https://www.qualtrics.com/blog/calculating-sample-size/
  
  like im going to trust "qualtrics" and their "math"
  
  Have you taken a statistics class?
  
  Ok cool. 1000 people who will answer a text message from unknown. Would you? Again, I know literally zero people who support Israel in this conflict. Got friends up and down the age spectrum, in and outside of the states.
  
  So my poll says 100% of everyone I know wants this shit to end. Facebook, Twitter, insta, all on the same page here.
  
  Somehow American polls always seem to be, ahem, skewed.
  
  Look at those 538 predictions based on 'polling data' on the last several elections.
  
  So my poll says 100% of everyone I know wants this shit to end. Facebook, Twitter, insta, all on the same page here.
  
  This is not how statistics works
  
  Look up i.i.d sampling please for the love of God.
  
  This wasn't a random sample though
  
  Maybe not but I don't see anything in their brief methodology section quoted above to indicate it wasn't a random sample of mobile phone users. What makes you think it wasn't?
  
  A random sample of mobile phone users isn't a random sample, because you're only going to get the people who answer texts from strangers.
  
  It's called "non-response bias" and it's a huge part of the reason political polling doesn't work. It's strong enough to render almost any sample from a phone survey non-representative.
  
  Yeah I understand that there's a difference between the sampled population and the actual population of interest, but you can't discount the results of on account of that unless you can meaningfully show a non-zero covariance between the response variable and likelihood of non-response.
  
  By all means it's a caveat but it doesn't make these results entirely non-informative.
  
  In any case I cited iid conditions to explain why asking all their friends is certain to produce a useless estimate of the population proportion.
  
  They know that asking their friends is useless. They were trying to make a point about sampling bias.
  
  To me they were saying this numbers are totally made up.
  
  If it's not representative, it basically is
- Nice to see the younger ones polled favor Palestine's struggle more
  
  the actual numbers from the poll:
  
  Zoomers still at 57% lol
  
  18-34? Gen z adults are 18-25 so that's more millennial than zoomer. Also, smaller subgroups have a bigger margin of error, especially since they only polled 1000 people total (through texts people have to respond to from an unknown number nonetheless)
  
  Not gonna happen, but I'd wanna see a poll on 18-22 yo college students, I'd like to think we're much less pro-Israel seeing we're a lot less likely to get news from mainstream mass media. Completely anecdotal: but I don't know a single person my age that supports Israel, everyone either supports Palestine or are neutral/ignorant. I've seen a ton of my mutuals on social media show support for Palestine too, none for Israel, and I've seen a ton of comments echoing the whole "no one our age supports Israel" sentiment too
  
  So the 70% is combining "fully justified" and "partially justified," with the only other options being "not at all justified" or "not sure." There's no option for like "mostly unjustified" so lots of people who both sides the issue - or even favor Palestine! - are likely to say "partially justified," which is a very broad and vague statement.
  
  Another headline you could write from this poll: "Only 27% of young people consider Israel's response justified - compared to 81% of seniors," or "50% of Americans think Israel's response was justified."
  
  Polls are, as always, fake.
  
  tbf anything except "not at all justified" is a monstrous take so the poll still works if you're happy to confirm more reasons to hate amerikans ()
  
  this kills the revolutionary optimism
  
  White college grads at 4% “not at all justified” But under <$50k leads with 12%
  
  And then… liberals lead all political categories with 11%
  
  labour aristocrats more likely to support isfake
  
  i love it when things confirm my biases

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