2y ago

and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

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You didn’t prove anything false. You proved that spodumene is mined and spodumene isn’t lithium. Just like iron mined isn’t steel.
Also you’re trying to ignore the context, which is that ‘EVs bad cause children are forced to mine lithium’. Which proves you’re not arguing in good faith.
- Pretty disingenuous, that's like me saying "gas doesn't come from underground because it's actually refined from petrol and the petrol isn't underground anymore when it's refined"
  
  More like saying “EVs are bad because lithium is mined by children”.
  Then when it is proven that it is not mined, let alone by children, you linking to an article of some rare method of mining spodumene that isn’t done by children and you pretending that is what the discussion is about.
  
  I was answering your message, I'm not the person that talked about children in the first place, you're message was "it's not mined AND its not done by children", that's two separate affirmations, I only replied to the first one yet you keep bringing up the second one.
  Mining is one way Lithium is produced, therefore you were wrong. Doesn't matter that it's rare, your first point was that it doesn't happen at all, which is false.
  
  You inserted yourself into a conversation about how “EVs are bad because children have to mine lithium to make them”.
  You’re trying to change the subject to ‘look I found this rare method of mining something that is not lithium, it doesn’t matter that it is rare in the context of the manufacturing of all EVs’.
  That is like saying ‘I don’t need to work for a living because look at this rare example of someone winning the lottery’.
  Context matters.
  Spodumene is not lithium.
  Your rare example of mining some thing that is not lithium isn’t relevant in a discussion about children mining lithium for EVs.
  You’re trying to argue semantics in bad faith.
  
  "That thing we mine to produce lithium doesn't count as humans mining to produce lithium."
  
  You:
  “If you ignore the fact that spodumene isn’t lithium…
  and the fact that children aren’t mining it…
  and the fact that it isn’t happening enough to be relevant to the conversation…
  Then I’m totally right!”
  https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/92bfcdec-de10-4581-bfc1-7d136e3ae9ca.webp
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spodumene
  Spodumene is a pyroxene mineral consisting of lithium aluminium inosilicate, LiAl(SiO3)2
  What's that? The lithium is inside the mineral that's... Mined?
  As of 2019, around half of lithium is extracted from mineral ores, which mainly consist of spodumene.
  Damn, that's very rare, isn't it?

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