How long do you think that the USA has left before it collapses?

My brother in Christ, I study this stuff for a living. It will definitely be that bad and claiming it isn't is climate denialism.

That won't change. Do you think the Great Lakes will dry up?

They don't have to, the water chemistry will fuck up as the life that can't cope with the temperature change dies off. This will cause the lake ecology to crash the water will be stagnant and need constant treatment, among other things.

It's wild bees that are at risk, not agricultural ones.

Oh that's okay then, a huge chunk of the native ecosystem dying never leads to an unstable environment.

Not only that but this simply isn't true. Honey bees are currently very weak as a species from pesticides, diseases, and malnutrition caused from monoculture farming.

What does this even mean? It will be lower biodiversity but worms aren't going anywhere.

Dude, if you don't know anything about soil health why are you speaking so confidently about it? You know, the nitrogen cycle? The biome of the soil? All the stuff plants require to survive etc?

And yes, the biodiversity of worms is going somewhere. Again, do you know anything about the subject you're lecturing me about yourself?

Ocean oxygen levels dropping is bad but the water won't be anaerobic and also what does this have to do with farming

Yes, it will that's literally what it means. And what do you mean what does clean water with a stable PH have to do with farming?!

I think that humanity could quite obviously survive the great dying. Do you not think humans are in the top 30% of adaptable species on earth?

We could quite obviously survive the worst extnction event in Earths history? The one that almost wiped out all life? The one that took the ecosystem millions of years to recover from? That great dying?

Also, we have only been here for a blink of an eye as far as the lifetime of the planet goes, and we are adaptable to this environment, not a dead planet. There are plenty of adaptable animals that were once numerous that don't exist anymore.

You haven't listed any details because you aren't relying on a scientific understanding of the situation.

I haven't been saying anything that conflicts with the our current scientific consensus as far as what I've been taught by ecologists.

You can't just scream "ecological collapse" and then go on to discuss the worst possible things you can imagine without any actual evidence.

Your lack of understanding isn't a lack of evidence. You are welcome to read some journals and fact-check me if you want.

We're looking at a 2-3 degree increase in global temperatures. That won't shut down the biosphere even if every bit of permanent ice melts; the Cretaceous was 10+ hotter and for most of the history of multicellular life there hasn't been permanent ice anywhere on the planet.

Hey, yeah, cool. The Cretaceous. Remind me how many humans were around then.

Oh yeah, nothing bad happened when the environment of the Cretaceous changed. Not like a ton of shit went extinct or anything.

Also, it's projected to be a 4-5°C increase. Which again, would make it on the scale of the great dying.

So yeah even if we survive as a species, we'll wish we were dead.

The US let a million of its people die but nothing touched agricultural production because that's the shit the US is prepared to keep functional at all costs.

The US can't even build a shuttle that doesn't leak piss, no matter how much money they throw at it. I don't trust them to do dick.

In the industry I work in, which caters to heavy machinery, almost all of our peripheral shit comes from China, they had to scramble when COVID hit to get parts in and were panicking because they lost a significant (5%) of market share due to these shortages, there was no slack that could have been picked up by domestic input. The only reason they didn't lose more was because the competition fumbled the bag even harder than we did and we managed to buy out parts of their systems to compensate as they went under, but now it's pretty much a monopoly market.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying that that expanding capacity is a long-term project that I am not even sure is possible if the U.S. isn't willing to invest heavily into the education to do so (which it is not because financial, tech, entertainment and cultural production are easier and more profitable). The U.S. is an industrial powerhouse, but so much of that production relies on those cheap peripherals from China, not even cheap consumer goods, but things like lens, masks, suits, clothes, wrenches, etc. The heavy industry will not survive, and will rapidly monopolize (more than it already has) without those inputs.

However I agree that the real collapse won't happen until something occurs with the MIC or the 10-11 equity firms that finance pretty much everything in the U.S. This thing is built to last, and grind up everything and everyone around it before it is stopped.

Thanks for the link!

*interesting stuff:

The top exports of United States are Refined Petroleum ($83.3B), Petroleum Gas ($70.9B), Crude Petroleum ($67.6B), Cars ($55.4B), and Integrated Circuits ($51.3B), exporting mostly to Canada ($259B), Mexico ($247B), China ($151B), Japan ($71.8B), and South Korea ($66.4B). In 2021, United States was the world's biggest exporter of Refined Petroleum ($83.3B), Petroleum Gas ($70.9B), Medical Instruments ($30.2B), Gas Turbines ($30B), and Corn ($18.8B)

The top imports of United States are Cars ($139B), Crude Petroleum ($120B), Computers ($102B), Broadcasting Equipment ($101B), and Packaged Medicaments ($86.3B), importing mostly from China ($530B), Mexico ($361B), Canada ($355B), Germany ($135B), and Japan ($128B). In 2021, United States was the world's biggest importer of Cars ($139B), Computers ($102B), Broadcasting Equipment ($101B), Packaged Medicaments ($86.3B), and Motor vehicles; parts and accessories (8701 to 8705) ($77.7B)