Well how about that?
Well how about that?
NRA been quiet right
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Not everyone who has guns has kids, and not everyone who has kids, allows their kids to access their firearms. That's part of being responsible.
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Now you are being silly and pedantic.
The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.
The answer to that is because that is where they live. Are you not in your home most of the time? If you some how are not you are a statistical outlier and not relevant to the conversation.
To be clear, that is the kind of disgusting justifications for poor gun ownership and disingenuous takes i was calling out earlier in the thread.
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Why are you assuming that a kid has access to a firearm if it's locked behind a door?
I mean I know what you're going for here, kids find parents gun and shoot someone or shoot themselves. That's just being a shit parent. Kinda like the kid getting your keys and crashing your car. Or finding the matches and burning down the house. There is a level of personal responsibility that is required to have kids and be an adult. There is also a level of "stupid people are going to do stupid shit" that we must accept for the personal freedom we are granted. Let's not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can't play nanny to everyone.
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Let's not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can't play nanny to everyone.
Classic libertarian move to be disingenuous and walk away with the wrong point to justify bad behavior. Come back when you are mature and ready to leave the bad faith takes behind.
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Classic bullshit answer, I'm very very far from a libertarian. Read my other posts, about how to properly address our gun violence in this country. It has everything to do with societal benefits and making sure our populous is taken care of. Smoking has tanked because of education, not because of a prohibition style policy. Prohibition of pretty much anything just creates more black markets and people who want to try it. How has the war on drugs been going? I'm sure you'll agree it's be a complete failure.
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How has the war on drugs been going? I'm sure you'll agree it's be a complete failure.
Yeah, it has.
It has everything to do with societal benefits and making sure our populous is taken care of.
I agree.
Look I'm from Tx and have family out in corn field #12675AE2 whatever midwest. I can count the number of responsible gun owners with one hand. So I am calling out what is reading to me like BS NRA talking points to excess irresponsible people. I started the chain with empathy as to the point that was being made. And I keep reading you doubling down on whataboutisms. "What if no kid lives there" (as if that is the only misuse of guns), "why do you assume they are not stored correctly" (as if didn't start with leaving guns lying around for easy access).
If you are who you say you are; why do you die on this hill?
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Because I have a very multinational family, and part of it was the ones who had no means to fight against fascist during WWII. I'm lucky to have been born from the level of death the Nazis placed upon one side of my family. The other side of me is native American. So if you can imagine, two people's who have been killed because they lacked the tools to fight back.
Registration is something that just places the vulnerable in the crosshairs of the oppressive.
Firearms are a force multiplier, are they dangerous? Yes. But so is a bunch of other shit. Swimming pools have more accidental deaths for kids than firearms, yet we are ok with this because it's part of being in a society that understands a balance.
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I think I made my case on why I felt the way I did, and why I felt you are being disingenuous.
There are stats that show that guns kill more children in the US than anything else (and it is a US only problem). I simply made a criticism at irresponsible gun owners and you keep trying to die on the hill to justify them. I drive a car and I am not going to make a cause to keep drunk drivers. And that is also part of the risk balance.
Recall that I did start with empathy for the position of owning guns, but drew a line at those who abuse those rights. And I did call you out for doubling down on missing the point on purpose. I think you owe me a bit of an apology.
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That study was done during covid. It's no longer true and is motor vehicles again. That also includes suicides which are 2/3rds of our firearm deaths. The # of kids who find their parents gun and accidentally shoot themselves is miniscule. Like it or not, restricting firearm access because of a few accidents is not a good enough reason. Period.
You might be against drunk driving, but you'd take pause if everyone who purchased alcohol had to drink it in designated places so they could be monitored.
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restricting firearm access because of a few accidents is not a good enough reason. Period.
You're definition of a few needs updating. And its an L take to defend the irresponsible. Again I cancoundt the responsible ones I know with one hand. I am being reasonable in my judgements here.
Everyone I know that says "I need my guns at easy access" is a libertarian trying to justify leaving their loaded guns lying around anywhere.
Your position is incredibly ridiculous. One thing is self defense. Another isjustify mediocrity. Please take some self inventory about what you're saying.
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You're definition of a few needs updating. And its an L take to defend the irresponsible. Again I cancoundt the responsible ones I know with one hand. I am being reasonable in my judgements here.
Again, more kids die from drownings in pools than accidentally shooting themselves. And its a order of magnitude more yearly.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/health/children-accidental-shootings/index.html
Filtering through data from 2009 to 2018 across 33 states, the team counted 279 cases in which kids under 15 accidentally died due to firearm injury.
In a 10 year period 279 and that's between ages 1 and 14.
Pool drownings, on average every year...358 children drowned...
Parents and caregivers can follow essential water safety guidelines to keep young ones safer in and around water. From 2019 to 2021, an average of 358 children fatally drowned in pools or spas and 6,500 visit the ER annually each year.
Everyone I know that says "I need my guns at easy access" is a libertarian trying to justify leaving their loaded guns lying around anywhere.
Everyone I know who doesn't understand statistics makes wild shit up to support their nanny state bullshit.
Your position is incredibly ridiculous. One thing is self defense. Another isjustify mediocrity. Please take some self inventory about what you're saying.
Says the person who is wanting to put in place draconian laws that will do way more harm than good.
Why don't you stick to fixing the pool problem first if protecting the children is the ultimate goal. After all 358 die annually to drowning in pools vs around 27 a year to firearms....or is that because firearms don't have a purpose and need to be curtailed?
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