Three men who identified themselves as Homeland Security officers raided a courthouse in downtown Charlottesville Tuesday, detaining two men without explanation
ICE detains 2 men in Charlottesville courthouse raid
Maybe shoot kidnappers? Amazing how often your guns are used to kill school children and how rarely to fight injustice.
Maybe shoot kidnappers?
Normal people cannot legally carry firearms into a Court House.
Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts? And also what about the kidnappers on the streets? Have any gotten shot so far?
Iknow people simply do not want to risk their life and thats fair but i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.
To add on to what @pivot_root@lemmy.world and @Beldarofremulak@discuss.online said, the primary use-case for personal firearms in the US outside of hobby/hunting in day-to-day is self-defense, and as a last resort.
Even with a concealed carry permit, most states' concealed carry laws state that you can only use your weapon if you have no method of retreat, and retreat should always be the first option. (Rightly so.)
Second problem that this seething pile of shit administration has created, is even if you were cornered, no way out, and used a gun to defend yourself, as soon as they say (real, fake, made up, or retroactively) "oh that was a Federal agent" you're now looking at having to deal with the Federal "justice" system, which is currently a big lying pile of shit that does whatever it wants with no regard for any life. (State and local laws are, for the most part, still functioning correctly.)
So basically, a death-and/or-El-Salvador concentration camp sentence for the person-that-would-be-helping.
Signing up as a rogue citizen to defend others, as a firearm owner, is at minimum legal fees, possible loss of firearms, possible jail time, or these days, possible disappearing.
You basically have to be in a mental state of writing off your own life to do such an act. If we are at that point, we're probably in civil war.
There's not cowboy justice in modern America, most of the time, surprisingly. Only Federal cowboy injustice.
Closest that could be maybe done is if a group of armed citizens in a state where open-carry is legal set up groups to protect those being targeted by the Nazis just outside the legal land boundary of the courts. Specifically because officers (read: thugs) are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. You'd need a mass of armed citizens, not touching their firearms, so the thugs know they're outnumbered and no matter how tiny-penis-brain they are, they know they'll probably come out dead if they escalate. Still very risky, could easily escalate as the thugs are also trained to purposely aggravate citizens so the citizens will make a mistake and the thugs can "apply the law" (do whatever they want with no consequences) as they see fit. This would be the tipping point Mango Mussolini wants to declare Martial Law across the US, and then we're back to the civil war thing. All the rules change at that point, and the perceived "authority" that the ICE cowards think they have disappears, but we're also looking at massive loss of life, no matter how it plays out. Unlike the Nazis, most Americans value life.
It sucks, right? When a majority of a country follows its laws, but they're dealing with human trash in power that can mutate it at-will with almost god-mode powers, it becomes infinitely more complex to save the People and Democracy. They've done a good job stacking the deck in favor of Tyranny.
So basically, a death-and/or-El-Salvador concentration camp sentence for the person-that-would-be-helping
Point of correction here. A sentence to the El Salvador Concentration Camps IS a death sentence. The fact that there's currently no tangible proof that prisoner executions are happening is about the same as see a giant plume of thick black smoke rising off the city tire dump and saying that there's currently no tangible evidence that the fucker's burning.
Almost 100% guaranteed that if anyone eventually manages to investigate it properly there will be a whole bunch of mass graves.
The or was more from hope at this point, honestly. Although we really need a first-world free nation to stop that El Salvador shit. Unfortunately, that will probably be the trigger for WWIII the morons in the US federal government are hoping for.
Totally understand.
Yeah, it would take almost literally the whole rest of the world to stand up to the US. The military superiority difference between the US and everyone else is.... problematic. The US was always a bit of a bully as an ally, and part of the disparity is the fault of the rest of us, allowing the US to take the bulk of defence burden, and mil-tech development. It's turned allies into perceived client States in the view of people like Trump.
So yeah, if the only way to get Trump pulled up on this fascist shit is to have a global united front, and threaten WW3? We had better hope that there's enough people in the US military chain of command who recognise, and honour, that the oath they swore is to the constitution, and to protect it from threats foreign and domestic....and not an oath to Trump with the promise of Jackbooting the necks of the rest of the world. Otherwise, as the quote that's often attributed to Einstein goes:
I don't know what weapons might be used in World War III. But there isn't any doubt what weapons will be used in World War IV....
Stone spears.....
Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts?
American cops don't protect American people. First and foremost, they protect their own. Beyond that, they protect the establishment that gives them their authority.
And money. They absolutely protect people with money.
I like to shoot far off cans, bottles, and targets out in the country. I've never shot an animal (that I know of) or a person (pretty confident about that one) and if there was some rabble-rousing going on and I was for some reason armed and loaded I don't have the mental capacity nor the confidence to decide who lives and dies. Just because I own guns doesn't mean I'm your defender. You should go buy a gun and become the justice decider you describe. Become the change you want to see.
What is happening is abhorrent. Morons with guns aren't the answer.
Not possible in my country. I just sometimes have the feeling that americans accept more shit from their government and law enforcement BECAUSE they have loads of weapons and it gives this wrong sense of security, that you are able to rise up against authority if push comes to shove. Only that it will never be quite bad enough to risk your own life. And i understand that. Still sad to see.
The Venn diagram of gun fetishists and the people still cheering for Trump is nearly a circle.
The problem is that most of the weapon fetishists are on the side of the fascists.
The fetishists yes, but to anyone thinking otherwise mostly all the leftists I know are strapped. It's just an issue of organization.
...i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.
The vast majority of guns are owned by people who lean far, far right. The use scenario for most of them is a fantastical case where strangers with dark complexions threaten their homes and families and they suddenly turn into Rambo or the Punisher and then shoot all the bad guys.
Of course this never happens because these very people are honestly cowards who are too scared to go to the grocery store with their weapon. If something really dangerous happens you'd better not be between them and the nearest exit because they will shoot you if you block them while they're running away. Well, unless you're armed. In that case, they'll run from you too.
Were you rubbing your nipples when you wrote this? You sound like a MAGAt fantasizing about trans Mexicans.
That's probably because I'm essentially talking about MAGAts fantasizing about getting to use their 2nd Amendment rights.
Even if they could, anyone thinking they're going to be able to shoot their way out of being abducted by the gestapo will have a very rude awakening.
Still better to be killed in the street than renditioned to America's concentration camp in El Salvador
If that's your goal, yes, a gun would be effective.
Is your goal something other than doing better than being renditioned to America’s concentration camp in El Salvador?
When people say "second amendment!" about this stuff they're usually talking about overthrowing tyranny somehow, not suicide by ICE.
¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
A comment almost exactly like this got me permabanned from reddit. It's like they're telling us who's side they're on.
I mean.... they've been pretty clear about it for several years now?
You cannot hypothesize about shooting a person attacking your child but you can have several subs dedicated to cheering for the death of conscripted Russian soldiers. The cool part is that it was a 3 day ban and when I appealed it, the ban became permanent.
That's completely, unsurprisingly, typical.
I'm on my usual 2 day ban over some comment I can't remember, but probably something about how the current admin is a cancerous growth, and should be treated accordingly.
So you’ve been banned more than once and you continue going back?
https://www.helpguide.org/relationships/domestic-abuse/getting-out-of-an-abusive-relationship
Shit posting is fun.
Years ago I was site-wide banned for "multiple false reporting" or something for reporting comments that advocated blanket murdering protesters and black people related to BLM protests. These comments are probably still there while antifascist users and subs are banned regularly.
