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  • dairy is horrifically cruel and incredibly destructive, it was always bad for us; and now it's even worse. alternatives exist, it's an easy change to make.

    • The thing that got me to significantly reduce my dairy consumption was

      1. Being exposed to vegetable milk (first soy then almond) by my roommates
      2. Not keeping fresh milk in the apartment because it kept going bad
      3. Losing the ability to gracefully digest lactose

      I eat much less cow now because of cute internet cow videos.

      Anyways, I think if 5 people reduce their consumption by 30% that's more impactful than 1 person reducing their consumption by 100%. (Math caveat: assuming each person has the same baseline level of consumption. 5 vegans reducing their consumption by 30% won't do squat).

    • Cow suckers don't want to hear it.

      • even in supposedly progressive spaces, people just turn their heads and refuse to connect it. but I'll keep speaking up. <3

        • I've seen this too. Way too often, in fact. You could even be among the annoying (IMHO) types that are constantly trying to out-purity-test one another and lecturing everyone on fucking everything and being all intersectional [1], etc.

          I rarely bring up being vegetarian IRL. People that know, know. The only time it comes up is when arranging food or what have you. Obviously there are times when it needs to come up. But I'm not into arguing over nutrition and the whys IRL and I'm also not into the proselytizing. Best you can do is quietly lead by example, in my view. Preaching at people until they stop eating meat is not going to work.

          Anyway, I've had multiple instances where it comes up and some super-dooper almighty holier-than-thou type of lefties (we all know the type, I'm sure - the kind that give a bad name to progressive causes - this kind of attitude is best left to church ladies trying to No True Scotsman each other over xtian doctrine as they see it) will make some snide remark about vegetarianism/veganism! I mean, what the actual fuck.

          [1] Invariably, this tends to be a white woman holding forth and telling any white men within earshot their views on how white men should let others do the talking and just listen. Sometimes the woman will claim to be bi for extra Oppression Olympics Points. I wish I could say this was only just the same white woman in the various instances...anyway, if people wonder how to generate more reactionaries, I'm sure cartoonish and over the top buffoons like that are not helping at all. Anyway, in my view, in being decent to others or worker solidarity, etc., very few of this type, if any, are walking the walk or even have any interest in any of that.

        • Amazing how resistant people are to this, and to any suggestion that beef intake should be reduced.

          • I think food really, really, really hits close to home. For many people, especially a certain kind of man, shall we say, and women that have taken up similar toxic attitudes (see the story about the "mean MAGA girls" for an example), the very notion of cutting out even just beef gives them the vapors. You'd think someone was asking them to cut their nuts off. It's an identity politics type of thing. I think many men legit don't want to be seen as veg*ns because they think women will think they are pussies. Even the notion of reducing their intake - anathema. It is the same kind of assholery you see from people that proudly turn on every light in the house during Earth Hour, or the kind of mentality that drives someone to alter their truck to waste more diesel to blow it on other cars.

            I'm 100% vegetarian. I have not cut egg and dairy out completely, though I never really could stand milk itself all that much anyway - I'm moderately lactose intolerant so take it easy on the cheese. Most of my meals are 100% vegan.

            Even after all these years, I still get people - and not completely uneducated people, either - get a look of concern and ask me where I get my protein from. I try to be patient and reasoned when I get the question, but....wow. Sometimes even the SAME fucking people have asked me multiple times over the years. It's like not one fucking thing I answered them with sunk in, at all. Marketing is one hell of a drug. I thought the stupid fad of listing how many grams of protein on every item as if it was somehow a gigantic benefit would die off, but if anything, the labeling has grown only more pronounced. 🤣

          • Beef isnt even all that good as far as red meat goes; lamb or pork are vastly better tasting IMO.

    • I misread that as "it's easy to make."

      You're right. While its not so easy to make, its available at most stores, it lasts longer before it spoils, and its cheaper.

      There's a reason that psychopathic antagonists drink milk in movies. You'd have to be crazy to choose to buy milk from an animal

      • I'm pretty sure I saw someone talking online (maybe here?) about how they make oat milk themselves because it's a lot cheaper and not too hard to make?

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