Tankie Communities lack all subtlety

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262

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I find this quite interesting.
Are all tankies red fascists? If so, then isn't it implied just by saying that? Or perhaps not bc maybe not everyone knows the former term while the latter spells it out explicitly...
I have taken to calling them Alt-Left, bc of how they spew disinfo & misinfo and use identical argumentative forms as the Alt-Right - wanting to "win" at any cost, ignoring facts and logic and such in their pursuit of that goal.
At a very naive guess, the word "fascism" may have a greater emotional impact upon Europeans, while Alt-Right might affect Americans more?
- They will be shocked when they find out that the leopards want to eat their faces off as well.
  
  You may be interested in watching The Alt Right Playbook, by Innuendo Studios. I think the one that I am thinking of in particular is There's Always A Bigger Fish.
  Some people, even poor ones, don't vote because they think that they will be rich someday - but rather bc they believe that they should be poor, and that the rich should be rich. Possibly they were told this from a religious leader behind a pulpit somewhere, thereby bypassing the normal skeptical thought process (despite the teachings of their own religious texts such as "test EVERYTHING against what you KNOW to be true", and "the worker deserves their wages", etc.).
  As a side effect, The Alt Right Playbook will show you the identical tactics used by those on e.g. Hexbear and Lemmy.ml, despite how they are not "Right" but rather (ostensibly) "Left".
  
  I thought that ML was based in France for some reason, but I could be way off base so take with a huge grain of salt there.
  And many people on Hexbear don't seem to truly "believe" in anything at all, except they like dunking on people. They routinely lie to themselves as well as other site admins, and even piss off people on ML and Grad. Hexbear has even chased off their own developers who maintained their special code fork. It's just been one long-running downward spiral from the start (~~much like the USA~~).
  But ML, yeah, they look to me like true believers - just like MAGATS - each to their respective cause. And for both I say, if only they would read a book (or ten)!? The proof, for me, lies in the lack of self-honesty: "Rule 1" for instance says no such thing as what it continuously ends up being used for, and once you catch someone in one such lie, how then is one supposed to believe anything else that is said, especially in contradiction to our very own eyes? 👀
  So they can say and do whatever they wish of course. And so too can I.
  
  Hexbear has even chased off their own developers who maintained their special code fork.
  Oh? I didn't know that. Where did that happen if you know?
  
  I don't know the details, just various comments that would obliquely reference the incident from presumably the more distant past, like this one: https://hexbear.net/post/1712067/4540345.
  
  I mean... only if facts actually mattered, which they do not. At least not in terms of them forming their opinions.
  And the same with MAGATS: studies show that literally different parts of the brain are engaged when espousing these political talking points. Which makes liberals then just as much in the wrong (and arguably far more so) bc KNOWING that... should allow a strategy to deal with those facts? But instead they would rather line their own pockets, then later act all surprised when they get called out for being so extremely "corrupt" - and then the for-profit media is a whole other matter entirely...
  Btw for true leftist ideals, check out https://slrpnk.net/ and https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/. I personally try to stay out of that depth of political theory but that is my understanding of where to go if I wanted to get into it.:-) What I do know though is that unless people are willing to engage honestly with a topic - ANY topic - there is zero hope to move "forward" in it (except by haphazard random chance, which I'm not counting as "forward" at all). And therefore, all 4 of hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml, and Midwest.social are ruled out, in my book (the latter purely due to their admin, while unlike the other Big Three, the vast majority of their members do not engage in trolling of the rest of the Fediverse).
  As you say, "one rule for thee while another one for me" never plays well, past kindergarten. I was honestly shocked to see it from supposedly adults in lemmy.ml, although then again it's easier for me to see their flaws from further away - and crucially, the same holds true in reverse as well.:-) Which I find to be a fantastic charge to do better, at least for myself. I don't know what good that will do anyone anywhere, but at least my own conscience will be all the clearer for not engaging with a known lie.
  
  We all - well, the vast majority of us - thought similarly: somehow we would skip right past the Bell Riots and enjoy the Star Trek future immediately, with no effort and especially no responsibilities required on our part. Arguably we weren't "stupid" so much as "naive". Now, we know (a little bit) better.
  Biden lied. Trump lied. Harris lied. These are the ones who ran for the USA President btw. Hence there were no "good" choices, only stupid ones. People are terrible at nuances though, especially when their choice of echo chamber leads their thinking. (And we are no exception: some of my posts along those lines are among the most downvoted that certain communities had ever had at that point, despite later actually happening irl, e.g. Biden needing to step down, we REALLY don't seem to want the real, uncomfortable truths, even here on the Fediverse).
  Which is why I don't even mind a transition to authoritarianism - call me crazy, but in retrospect, democracy looks like it was always bound to have failed. (To be clear, I mean the USA brand, whereas the EU updated version remains unclear how well it can handle the transition from the information era to our current dis- and mis-info one.) People are going to cry about it, and also die from it - I am definitely among the former, and not entirely unlikely to be among the latter as well - but history will march on regardless of our personal feelings about the subject. The only choice we have is whether we choose to see it coming in advance, or have to deal with the fall-out after it happens.
  Democracy required too much personal responsibility from people who simply did not have that to offer. Therefore when one set of oligarchs decided to check out and go to sleep for awhile, and a new set decided to rise up and take their places, we had next to no defenses to halt that transition. And no matter how much we wish we could, nobody can beat karma: we chose to remain vulnerable for centuries, and now we have paid the ultimate price and have given up our ability to control our futures anymore.
  This is where ML and Grad and HB will say that the time for a violent upheaval of society followed by non-capitalist socialism to rise is upon us, and boy will they be surprised when just like Russia, China, and North Korea already are not "socialist", nor will the USA become thus either, bc that is not a thing really that has ever existed (nor will it). Nor would they want it or be happy if it somehow did, and they actually had to work the fields to be truly equal. I get it - it's rough to grow up, it truly is.

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