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The CIA is the mother of European democracies? What?
The CIA (and similar organisations) prop up the international economic order of grossly unequal exchange with the global south that allows European social democracies to exist. The point is that liberals will point to European Social Democracies as a model to emulate, without realising that they can only exist by offshoring so much of their economy to the global south.
That account basically boils down to "China number one, Ukraine is run by nazis, booo USA"
Ukraine is run by nazis, booo USA
Where's the lie
In the first half.
Ukraine is run by nazis
Or are we playing the "everyone I dont like is a nazi" game? In that case, Russia and my HoA is run by Nazis!
nah we're just reading what mainstream western media reported before the start of the war
- https://khpg.org/en/1528928862
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329
- https://archive.ph/ckwv4
- https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d
- https://gordonhahn.com/2015/05/02/ukraines-neo-fascist-right-sector-claims-responsibility-again-for-2-may-2014-terrorist-pogrom/
- http://www.errc.org/news/anti-roma-pogroms-in-ukraine-on-c14-and-tolerating-terror
So... A handful of articles about individuals in Ukraine, a march of 300 nazi sympathizers, actions of a reported terrorist organization, and an article that states the following:
Ever since Ukraine's February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a "fascist junta" made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, set on persecuting, if not eradicating, the Russian-speaking population. This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% barrier to enter parliament
You just wasted a lot of my time... Many countries have idiots, my own has plenty of jackasses who could be called Nazi sympathizers. That doesn't mean the country is run by Nazis, and to claim such is very obviously propaganda. I wonder if you would be so willing to generalize a whole nation and its government if the rubberband was on the other claw?
- https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/if-russia-serious-about-de-nazification-it-should-start-home
- https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia
- https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
- https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/06/neo-nazi-street-attacks-are-making-a-comeback-in-russia-experts-link-it-to-2000s-nostalgia-internet-clout-culture-and-the-war
Weird way to say articles about nazis having brigades and having close ties to the government. Many countries have idiots, but not many countries have open fascists int their military and government. Sorry I took your valuable time away from sniffing glue there. This clearly was too complex a topic for you to have a discussion on.
Lol, many countries do have open fascists in their military and government, Russia and the United States among them. Funny thing about folks who are willing to kill for their country, they are often ultra nationalists. A couple of the articles I sent you clearly demonstrate this in regards to Russia.
Regardless, you never even came close to supporting the claim "Ukraine is run by Nazis". Worse for your point still, one of your sources stated clearly that said claim is demonstrably not true.
And while fascists and Nazis should be called out and shutdown on every level in every country, including Ukraine, exaggerating the extent to which these ideologies have infiltrated a government to justify war is blatantly propaganda and evil.
I'll take your personal attacks on me as you admitting you overstated the strength of your "evidence". Next time someone makes a clear cut argument like "Ukraine is run by Nazis", don't provide evidence that literally says that's not the case and then pretend like it supports the claim. That's not "too complex to understand", that's just lying.
Yeah bro, the country whose primary source of national pride is still turning back the tide of Nazism at the enormous sacrifice of over 25 million people. They for sure got a whole Nazi batallion, statues for Nazis and national holidays for Nazis, Ukraine is just a normal liberal country that way.
Russia and the United States among them
Please show Russian officials sitting in front of nazi symbols, or Russian military units using them. I'll wait. The fact that you're trying to make some sort of equivalence here shows that you're either completely ignorant or intentionally trolling. The difference is that nazi problem in Ukraine is systemic, and this is a fact that's well documented.
I’ll take your personal attacks on me as you admitting you overstated the strength of your “evidence”.
definitely something a nazi apologist clown would say
You quote me saying Russians have fascists in their government and military, something I sent you articles demonstrating that you didnt even bother to read, and then have the audacity to pretend like I owe you more research and need to prove a claim I never made? Get outta here with that nonsense.
You never managed to demonstrate that Ukraine is run by Nazis, nor that it is even a "systemic problem". You just showed that like many countries, Ukraine has an ultra right nationalist party that failed to grab power, and idiot Neo-Nazis. Which I said should be fought against at every level... In every country... Including Ukraine... Yet you resort to another personal attack calling me a Nazis sympathizer.
Funny thing is, I liked your meme, I agreed with the point you were making, and had you come at me with the intention to demonstrate Ukraine isn't some saint country without problems, we would have found common ground. No country is, and often times the problems of an underdog country are overlooked to avoid appearing like one is supporting a larger warmongering country.
But because I rejected a simple, all or nothing lie about the country, you instead felt the need to move goals posts, strawman my points, and fling personal insults.
Do you think lying, exaggerating, and attacking people will benefit your point in anyway? Do you think strawmanning points and moving goalposts will lead to a deeper mutual understanding? Or are you just so angry that you want the fight, and there is no point beyond that?
Honestly man, I feel kind of bad for you. Good luck, I hope you can find some joy in your life.
You quote me saying Russians have fascists in their government and military, something I sent you articles demonstrating that you didnt even bother to read, and then have the audacity to pretend like I owe you more research and need to prove a claim I never made? Get outta here with that nonsense.
You never showed any evidence for this claim.
You never managed to demonstrate that Ukraine is run by Nazis, nor that it is even a “systemic problem”.
I have, but you ignored that, and no serious person would deny it. Even Ukrainians don't deny this
Do you think lying, exaggerating, and attacking people will benefit your point in anyway?
Should ask yourself that very question. Nobody is moving any goal posts on you. Maybe read up a bit on how took power in Ukraine after the coup.
Or are you just so angry that you want the fight, and there is no point beyond that?
Projecting much?
Honestly man, I feel kind of bad for you. Good luck, I hope you can find some joy in your life.
stay mad
Ah fuck, didn't look at the instance this was posted on.
That isn't really a counter to the claims presented, though.
I'm not gonna look for a diamond in this pile of horseshit.
You don't seem to find much of anything with your head so far buried in the sand, but whatever floats your boat.
the only pile of shit here is the one that wrote the above comment
This is how a bad player reacts when they realize they been playing ranked.
Git gud.