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I can't wrap my head around how people can ignore all those red flags. 2-3 days ago I just got a text from a random number about some parking fine. Not just that, but it said that that day was the last day I could get a 50% DISCOUNT on the fine. A fucking DISCOUNT! What's next? I can use my Nectar card? Do I get a loyalty card with a stamp on it? But it's not even the fact that I wasn't contacted by mail, or there was no other contact given; I don't even have a fucking car. Or a driving license in this country.
I got a fine for not getting my bus ticket stamped in Florence, Italy. Apparently if you paid it the same day it was one price and that price doubled after a week, month, etc.
Didn't matter the machine failed when I stamped it because it was out of ink. I even tried to stamp it in front of the officer. He said I could appeal it in person in court. They know tourists aren't going to appear in court to appeal. I felt scammed but after calming myself down and paying the fine the officer apologized and told me in a few words he hated his job.
I was about to comment, that here in Italy, many fines have a price if you pay in few days and give up your right to fight back, and another price if you pay before the fine is due and keep your right to seek help from a judge.
Anyway, nobody told you, that if you want to see a judge that was at least 40$ ten years ago. Just to see him once, no warranty given. And even if you can get your fine cancelled, that 40$ were gone. So at the end you pay and also pay soon so to pay less. I also hate it.
At least you have decent public transportation. My beach town has 1 bus that doesn't even run every day.
All things considered I loved my time in Italy but I suppose it's always nice as a tourist.
They also can't force a tourist to pay a fine. And it's not a criminal matter, so they'll never be able to deny you visa on these grounds.
When the same happened to me I laughed into their faces, they wrote down my passport data and address and kept sending me snail mail with threats for years till I moved. I'm still waiting for the day they'll force me to pay the 30€ or whatever that was.
I was told in no uncertain terms If I didn't give them my passport info they would arrest me.
Which is 100% true, and it seems pretty clear from the comment that you replied to that they provided their passport info.
Yes, yes, give them your passport, and address, and a phone number, and whatever else they need. What are they gonna do with them? Send debt collectors from Rome to the middle-of-nowhere, Teneese?
When you face a system that was clearly designed by morons, you should remember that they will be just as dumb when it comes to actually enforcing the system.
(Just PSA, if you do live in, Rome, and repeatedly ride without a ticket, after repeated offenses, you'll eventually catch a fine of 1k€+ and if you won't pay that, they'll put you in jail for a few weeks.)
This is a legal advice.
On a separate note it's the same with traffic violations. If you refuse to identify yourself, or your vehicle has been caught speeding and you refuse to give information on who was the driver, you'll get arrested in no time. Otherwise it's a 20-50€ fine, and you can probably not pay it, if you'll never catch another one.
This is a legal advice.
Well, that's rather reassuring.
I can’t wrap my head around how people can ignore all those red flags
They use threats and urgency to pressure people into paying faster that they realise it's a scam.
I literally, unknowingly, watched this unfold with my dad recently. He got a text along the lines of "final notice of unpaid toll from [local toll road entity], pay by end of day to avoid late payment fees" with a link.
He (on the side, while we were all doing something else) went in, entered his drivers license info, date of birth, and credit card number to "pay" the toll.
About 30 second after setting his phone down he just goes "shit, that was a scam, wasn't it" and describes the text to us.
A little bit too much trust, and a false deadline can go a long way.
One actually had a civil conversation with me for an hour or so to lull me into a false sense of security, it worked so well that I actually was at the kiosk to send him money when an employee rushed over and informed me this was a scam... I was embarassed a simple dialogue and faux-friendship got him far.
Second I brought up that possibility, the other person on the phone began threatening me using information he learned during the conversation.
He was almost a genius, though the more I pressed the more he fell apart.. eventually he actually caleld me back and told another guy in the room "Okay, we may be able to fool her this time...." not realizing I'd already answered and was like "Bruh, you just admitted the scam."
For the record, I'm the kind of person who typically just pranks scammers to get them to waste their time, so this guy was just stay good....
Out of curiosity, what was the origin of the debt/fee/urgency and how did that pass your sniff test?
It's an old trick but if it's the last moment you learn about a fine first, then chances are someone isn't playing fair, regardless.
Yeah that's normal in Britain for council and government fines (as opposed to often unenforceable private parking charges). The shitty part is that if you try to dispute it they don't put the timer on hold so you essentially play double or nothing on how strong you think your case is. Lose and you have to pay the full thing. Not bitter at all.
Wait, is it normal to have a discount or is it normal to only have the notification in a text message on your phone and nowhere else? Because the latter is rather worrying.
Normal to get a 50% discount for paying quickly and without appeal. Last I checked you couldn't pay with Nectar points, though.
Discounts on speeding tickets are a thing in my country. Maybe they were from elsewhere and assumed it was a thing there too? 😂
Parking tickets too here. Though they don't call it a discount, it's basically the price and if you wait too long the price goes up.
I wouldn't be surprised, considering the accent of scammers calling me with phone plans and stuff.
Ha ha, my random text was really vague about what council had issued the bogus parking ticket. By contrast when I strayed into a bus lane one time I got a letter from my council, complete with a very clear photo of me driving my car in said bus lane. And yes, I got a discount for paying right away.